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John Hunter's picture
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@Dougie. In our current social media driven society, people walk around eager to be offended and outraged.

And historical revisionists are afoot erasing and hiding anything that might be in anyway offensive to anyone. As an example of the cleansing, a statue of Gen Robert E Lee has been cut into pieces and put into storage. It's as if our American Civil War never happened: 

https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/gen-robert-lee-statue-richmond-virgi...

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Just my opinion:

Wasn't history - it was an action figure statue erected half a century after the war. It was erected as an honorarium. Much like the confederate flags flew over State capitals (think about that - we had the flags of traitors flying over State Capitals - WTF were we thinking?). 

And because it was history it does not mean you should honor it. WW II was part of our history. I wouldn't think it appropriate to have a statue of a Nazi soldier on State grounds.  Why not put a statue of a Japanese fighter pilot at Pearl Harbor? - Just history after all.  Screw it - let's put a statue of Bin Laden next to the twin towers memorial - ya know - history. 

Those who want those statues torn down have no interest in revisionist history. They have an interest in honest history.  Robert E. Lee was the military leader of an evil cause. Placing a flattering statue of him in a government plaza inaccurately portrays that history. I would have melted the statue a half-century ago. 

Just me

 

 

Lily Blaze's picture
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Not just you, Dave. I stand with you on this one.

Craig Griffiths's picture
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I found this amusing. John Oliver looking at statues etc. https://youtu.be/J5b_-TZwQ0I

David Lambertson's picture
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Saw that episode - a goodie

Lucy Hannah's picture
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@ Cannon, 'Strong female lead' gets misinterpreted a lot. 'strong character' means the writing is strong, complex and organic like you mentioned. Not necessarily the 'bad-ass' 'girl-boss' strong like Black widow etc that typically gets associated with it. 

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Nah you're right we don't not to say we should get rid of it, after the most important part of art to be able to whatever you want. If you want to make the most political correct film possible then go ahead but if you want to make a movie so offensive that it has racial slurs every 3 lines then that should be allowed too. Art is the freedom to say whatever you want since it's a insight into your mind that you're willing to put out to the public and thus should be critqued in the public sphere. Art is freedom and if there is no freedom then art means nothing.  

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@Lucy, I think the strong female lead is a bad turn of phrase. I read it as a character that makes decisions, has agency, drives the narrative and happens to be female. For decades females have been victims to survive an ordeal. The last blonde scenario. Even in something like Terminator, she does one thing at the end, otherwise victim.

@Demian, art is freedom. Many voices with many views. I cannot agree more. I don't have to listen, that is also a choice. Not everything has me as an audience. I am fine with that. I am better than fine. It gives me room to stretch my thinking. Some people may say that your right to express yourself is canceling them, but is it really?

I am a fan of changing the topic in an argument and seeing if the logic holds. 

Demian Malcher's picture
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Exactly Craig there's penalty of art that you don't need even exist that you disagree with so it'd be impossible task to stamp em all out so ignore em and love the stuff you love.

A. S. Templeton's picture
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From Æsop's Fables: The Man and the Lion

A Man and a Lion were companions on a journey, and in the course of conversation they began to boast about their prowess, and each claimed to be superior to the other in strength and courage.

They were still arguing with some heat when they came to a cross-road where there was a statue of a Man strangling a Lion.

"There!" said the Man triumphantly, "look at that! Doesn't that prove to you that we are stronger than you?"

"Not so fast, my friend," said the Lion: "that is only your view of the case. If we Lions could make statues, you may be sure that in most of them you would see the Man underneath."

The moral: There are two sides to every question.

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Think how cold and gray this world would be if all the stories told were Politically Correct? While I try to stay away from racial, political and insane BS we currently find ourselves in, but to take our freedoms away or suppress it doesn't mean they're not out there? Take all the racist remarks out of "Mississippi Burning" and tell mee if it's the same story or has the same impact as before. A lot of good can come from reading or watching a story like that and saying, I am going to play a role in ensuring that this type of behavior is stomped out. Would the movie "Seven" be the same without all the sketchy characters and their twisted beliefs in one thing or another? Of course not and it does exactly what most of us want in a story; it takes us out of our staid, mostly steady lives and into the strange and colorful life of someone else, however screwed up they may be. Sex, drugs, criminals, and a boatload of individuals with phobias we probably didn't even know existed. This is life and I seek to understand and soak up the craziness from these stories and come to my own conclusions, if not just to experience for a moment what a life like theirs might be like. The great thing about it is... if you're not digging something, put it down or turn it off! Just my two cents...  

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@Patrick discuss racism is PC. Showing that is politically correct. The world is full of assholes we need to use them in stories, they are interesting. The original post was about "do we need more of this", focusing on a story with a female lens. My answer is yes. We need more movies that focus on females, black, browns, yellow, purples, all sexualities, basically everything that isn't me. My people (White guys in the west) have had it pretty good. I don't have to watch them. That is freedom.  Talking away these people's voice is not giving me freedom.  Freedom doesn't run out. There is an endless supply unless people with power decide it should stop.

So someone says to me "your being an asshole". I have a choice. Stop the thing that makes me an asshole in their eyes, or keep doing what I want and take the consequences.  I could write a fanfic about the KKK "Ain't it great to be white".  Will it sell? probably not.

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